Mormons & Prop8 Facts

Dear Friends,

In the aftermath of the recent election, we may find ourselves oddly on the defensive regarding our support for the Yes on Proposition 8 cause. Our young people have been especially subject to mean spirited comments by high school friends and teachers. We have nothing to be ashamed of. We did nothing wrong. In fact, we did everything that a civic minded American can and should do. I have put together a few facts that help me to appreciate our position better. For example:

1. Mormons make up less than 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 800,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 34 million.

2. Mormon voters were less than 5% of the yes vote. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then LDS voters made up 4.6% of the Yes vote and 2.4% of the total Proposition 8 vote.

3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign. Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.

4. The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $32 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.

5. Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.

6. The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Yes on 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Yes on 8.

7. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8.

8. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).

9. The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims – all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.

10. Not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility, respect and love," despite their differing views.

11. The Church did not violate the principal of separation of church and state. This principle is derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, although it has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court in recent years. The LDS Church is under no obligation to refrain from participating in the political process, to the extent permitted by law. U.S. election law is very clear that Churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues. The Church as always been very careful on this matter and occasionally (not often) chooses to support causes that it feels to be of a moral nature.

12. Supporters of Proposition 8 did exactly what the Constitution provides for all citizens: they exercised their First Amendment rights to speak out on an issue that concerned them, make contributions to a cause that they support, and then vote in the regular electoral process. For the most part, this seems to have been done in an open, fair, and civil way. Opponents of 8 have accused supporters of being bigots, liars, and worse. The fact is, we simply did what Americans do – we spoke up, we campaigned, and we voted.

Winning Isn't News

Ready for a shock? Below is an article from the London Times about our military. Interesting, it is! Our media coverage is shameful!

Winning Isn't News
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Iraq: What would happen if the U.S. won a war but the media didn't tell the American public? Apparently, we have to rely on a British newspaper for the news that we've defeated the last remnants of al-Qaida in Iraq .

London's Sunday Times called it 'the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.' A terrorist force that once numbered more than 12,000, with strongholds in the west and central regions of Iraq, has over two years been reduced to a mere 1,200 fighters, backed against the wall in the northern city of Mosul.

The destruction of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI) is one of the most unlikely and unforeseen events in the long history of American warfare. We can thank President Bush's surge strategy, in which he bucked both Republican and Democratic leaders in Washington by increasing our forces there instead of surrendering.

We can also thank the leadership of the new general he placed in charge there, David Petraeus, who may be the foremost expert in the world on counter-insurgency warfare. And we can thank those serving in our military in Iraq who engaged local Iraqi tribal leaders and convinced them America was their friend and AQI their enemy.

Al-Qaida's loss of the hearts and minds of ordinary Iraqis began in Anbar Province , which had been written off as a basket case, and spread out from there.

Now, in Operation Lion's Roar the Iraqi army and the U.S. 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment is destroying the fraction of terrorists who are left. More than 1,000 AQI operatives have already been apprehended.



Sunday Times reporter Marie Colvin, traveling with Iraqi forces in Mosul, found little AQI presence even in bullet-ridden residential areas that were once insurgency strongholds, and reported that the terrorists have lost control of its Mosul urban base, with what is left of the organization having fled south into the countryside.

Meanwhile, the State Department reports that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government has achieved 'satisfactory' progress on 15 of the 18 political benchmarks 'a big change for the better from a year ago.'

Things are going so well that Maliki has even for the first time floated the idea of a timetable for withdrawal of American forces. He did so while visiting the United Arab Emirates , which over the weekend announced that it was forgiving almost $7 billion of debt owed by Baghdad, an impressive vote of confidence from a fellow Arab state in the future of a free Iraq.

But where are the headlines and the front-page stories about all this good news? As the Media Research Center pointed out last week, 'the CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News and CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 were silent Tuesday night about the benchmarks 'that signaled political progress.'



The war in Iraq has been turned around180 degrees both militarily and politically because the president stuck to his guns. Yet apart from IBD, Fox News Channel and parts of the foreign press, the media don't seem to consider this historic event a big story.


Copyright 2008 Investor's Business Daily. All Rights Reserved.

Addendum: The reason you haven't seen this on American television or read about it in the American press is simple--journalism is 'dead' in this country. They are controlled by Liberal Democrats who would rather see our troops defeated than recognize a successful Republican initiated response to 9/11.

Church Responds to Same-Sex Marriage Votes

SALT LAKE CITY 5 November 2008 COMMENTARY

Since Proposition 8 was placed on the ballot in June of this year, the citizens of California have considered the arguments for and against same-sex marriage. After extensive debate between those of different persuasions, voters have chosen to amend the California State Constitution to state that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Continued

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Voters in Arizona and Florida took the same course and amended their constitutions to establish that marriage will continue to be between a man and a woman.

Such an emotionally charged issue concerning the most personal and cherished aspects of life — family, identity, intimacy and equality — stirs fervent and deep feelings.

Most likely, the election results for these constitutional amendments will not mean an end to the debate over same-sex marriage in this country.

We hope that now and in the future all parties involved in this issue will be well informed and act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility toward those with a different position. No one on any side of the question should be vilified, intimidated, harassed or subject to erroneous information.

It is important to understand that this issue for the Church has always been about the sacred and divine institution of marriage — a union between a man and a woman.

Allegations of bigotry or persecution made against the Church were and are simply wrong. The Church's opposition to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians. Even more, the Church does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.

Some, however, have mistakenly asserted that churches should not ever be involved in politics when moral issues are involved. In fact, churches and religious organizations are well within their constitutional rights to speak out and be engaged in the many moral and ethical problems facing society. While the Church does not endorse candidates or platforms, it does reserve the right to speak out on important issues.

Before it accepted the invitation to join broad-based coalitions for the amendments, the Church knew that some of its members would choose not to support its position. Voting choices by Latter-day Saints, like all other people, are influenced by their own unique experiences and circumstances. As we move forward from the election, Church members need to be understanding and accepting of each other and work together for a better society.

Even though the democratic process can be demanding and difficult, Latter-day Saints are profoundly grateful for and respect the ideals of a true democracy.

The Church expresses deep appreciation for the hard work and dedication of the many Latter-day Saints and others who supported the coalitions in efforts regarding these amendments.

President Dmitri Medvedev orders missiles deployed in Europe as world hails Obama

Well, well...

(Putin's Puppet) was not part of the article, but needs to be brought to your attention.

Mr Medvedev (Putin's Puppet) blamed the US for the global financial crisis, saying that the rest of the world had been "dragged down with it into recession". He (Putin's Puppet) claimed that the era of American domination after the collapse of the Soviet Union was now over.

"The world cannot be ruled from one capital. Those who do not want to understand this will only create new problems for themselves and others," he (Putin's Puppet) said.

What the Opposition Was Saying on Prop8

Dragging missionaries into this is irresponsible and will likely result in violence. Libs are notorious for such acts. Of course, lies and fear is all they have. When you don't have an argument, pound the other guy.
Reprehensible.

Peggie the Moocher

"I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage."

We've traded security for freedom (of consequence) and will now have neither.

NRO Article - The End of Journalism

What was left of journalism has been trampled into the ground as the MSM has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in free advertising, promotion, and even propaganda. They have ignored key issues that have and will cost Americans billions of dollars, their prosperity, and some their lives.

Victor Davis Hanson at National Review Online wrote a great analysis of where "journalism" has taken America. Click Here

"The story that the media chose to ignore was not merely the Obama about-face on public financing, or even the enormous amounts of money that he has raised — some of it under dubious circumstances involving foreign donors, prepaid credit cards, and false names. Instead, they were absolutely quiet about a historic end to liberal support for public financing."

"Imagine the reaction of the New York Times or the Washington Post had John McCain renounced his promise to participate in public campaign financing, proceeded instead to amass $600 million and outraise the publicly financed Barack Obama four-to-one, and begun airing special 30-minute unanswered infomercials during the last week of the campaign."

"Imagine the reaction of CNN or NBC had John McCain’s pastor and spiritual advisor of 20 years been revealed as a white supremacist who damned a multiracial United States, or had he been a close acquaintance until 2005 of an unrepentant terrorist bomber of abortion clinics, or had McCain himself sued to eliminate congressional opponents by challenging the validity of African-American voters who signed petitions, or had both his primary and general election senatorial rivals imploded once their sealed divorce records were mysteriously leaked."

Sadly, even the Clintons found themselves out-corrupted and the msm wildly cheered their messiah on to victory, destroying everyone in his path with zeal.

Zombie Nation

Millions of Zombies swarmed the polls. Conceding defeat is something us Neo-Con's are getting good at. Country Club Republicans have made the party nothing more than a half-powered liberal driven agenda. To see the CCR's running early to the Obamessiah was disgusting as we all knew they were more interested in being invited to all the cool dinner parties, rathen than serving the needs of those who elected them. Ya get what ya vote for.

Mormon Synchronized Swimming!
How can you comment on that?

Election time -2

Hel 5:2 For as their laws and their governments were established by the ^avoice of the people, and they who ^bchose evil were ^cmore numerous than they who chose good, therefore they were ^dripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted.

  3 Yea, and this was not all; they were a ^astiffnecked people, insomuch that they could not be governed by the law nor justice, save it were to their destruction.

Container Ships from China

SHIP FROM CHINA - The Emma Maersk


What a ship....no wonder 'Made in China' is displacing North American goods big time with this floating continent transporting goods across the Pacific in 4 days no less!!!





This is how Wal-Mart gets all it's stuff from China . Get a load of this ship!
15,000 containers and a 207' beam! And look at the crew-size: 13 people for a ship longer than a US aircraft carrier which has a crew of 5,000 men and officers.
Think it's big enough? Notice that 207' beam means it cannot fit through the Panama or Suez Canals . It is strictly transpacific. Check out the cruise speed: 31 knots means the goods arrive 4 days before the typical container ship (18-20 knots) on a China-to-California run. So this behemoth is hugely competitive when carrying perishable goods.

This ship was built in five sections. The sections floated together and then welded. The command bridge is higher than a 10-story building and has 11 cargo crane rigs that can operate simultaneously.




Additional info:

Country of origin - Denmark

Length - 1,302 ft

Width - 207 ft

Net cargo - 123,200 tons

Engine - 14 in-line cylinders diesel engine (110,000 BHP)

Cruise Speed - 31 knots

Cargo capacity - 15,000 TEU (1 TEU = 20 ft3)

Crew - 13 people

First Trip - Sept. 08, 2006

Construction cost - US $145,000,000+

Silicone painting applied to the ship bottom reduces water resistance and saves 317,000 gallons of diesel per year

Editorial Comment! A recent documentary in late March on the History Channel, noted that most all of these containers are shipped back to China , EMPTY yep you heard it right. We send nothing back on most of these ships. What does that tell you about the current Financial State of this country?

First Politician

An archeological team, digging in Washington DC , has uncovered 10,000 year old bones and fossil remains of what is believed to be the first Politician.

Classic Sayings

'If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.' -Mark Twain

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.... But then I repeat myself. -Mark Twain

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -Winston Churchill

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on t he support of Paul. -George Bernard Shaw

A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. -G. Gordon Liddy

Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. -James Bovard

Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries. -Douglas Casey

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -P.J. O'Rourke

Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. -Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. -Ronald Reagan (1986)

I don't make jokes... I just watch the government and report the facts. -Will Rogers

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! - P.J. O'Rourke

In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -Voltaire (1764)

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.)

No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -Mark Twain (1866 )

Talk is cheap. except when Congress does it. -Unknown

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal: a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other. -Ronald Reagan

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill

The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin. -Mark Twain

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress. -Mark Twain

What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. -Edward Langley, Artist (1928 - 1995)

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -Thomas Jefferson

My Wife Made Me Put This Up

Quote for the day:

'Whatever you give a woman, she's going to multiply.
       
If you give her a house, she'll give you a home.
       
If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.
       
If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart.
    
She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.'
       
So - if you give her crap, you will receive more shit than any one human being can handle.

Christian in a Marathon

After that last one mocking Christians, let's see just how stupid they are.

A Letter to the Red States

Got this in the email today. Lib's...

responses in the text, in RED


Dear Red States:


We've decided we're leaving PACK YOUR BAGS, WE ARE TIRED OF YOUR WHINING, AMERICA BASHING, SPINELESS, EFFETE ATTITUDE. We intend to form our own country HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE MAP BY COUNTY?, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii LETS SEE, THE ONE WITH A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR?, Oregon ASSISTED SUICIDE AND HAVEN FOR 60'S TERRORISTS?, Washington OH, WHERE ALL THE HOMELESS AND PETA PEOPLE LIVE, Minnesota HOME OF THE NOT FUNNY, TAX CHEATING, PORNOGRAPHER, AL FRANKEN? AND GARRISON KEELOR?, Wisconsin ISN'T THAT WHERE THE HEFF & BILL MAHR LIVE?, Michigan OH YEAH, THAT BANKRUPT STATE?, Illinois LET'S SEE, CHICAGO, WILLIAM AYERS, REV. WRIGHT AND THE OBAMMUNISTS? and all the Northeast SUPER IMPOSE THAT WITH WELFARE AND VIOLENCE DEMOGRAPHICS (NOT DEMOCRATS, WELL...). We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches FINE, WE GET ALL THE OFFSHORE OIL RIGS THERE TOO! TRY SWIMMING IN YOUR OWN FECES AND MEDICAL WASTE. AS A MATTER OF FACT TRY GETTING A BEACH SPOT AFTER ALL THE HOMELESS HAVE SQUATTED YOU OUT (SEE SANTA MONICA). You get Sara Palin and Ralph Reed OH, YOU MEAN CHRISTIANS? THAT MEANS YOU GET SHARPTON, SINGER, AYERS, AND KENNEDY ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER SECULARIST - SOCIALIST. THAT ALWAYS WORKS.

We get the Statue of Liberty IT WAS FROM FRANCE, IRONIC EH?. You get the world's largest ball of twine ALONG WTIH THE MOST PRODUCTIVE LAND AND PEOPLE WHO THINK ITS OKAY FOR SOMETHING BESIDES LINDSAY LOHAN CHUCKING DOWN JACK DANIELS BY THE GALLON -- OH, I FORGOT, WE OWN KENTUCKY. We get Intel, Apple and Microsoft AND WE GET AMD, ACER, MSI, LINUX. YOU HAVE DELL-SUCKERS. You get WalMart YOU GET COST MORE. We get Harvard, WHERE BILL BUCKLEY FAMOUSLY SAID, "I'D RATHER BE GOVERNED BY THE FIRST 300 NAMES IN THE BOSTON PHONE BOOK THAN BY THE HARVARD ALUMNI" KEEP IT. You get Liberty University DON'T FORGET CLAIRMONT, PEPPERDINE, BYU, AND HUNDREDS OF OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT DO AS GOOD OR BETTER. We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs AND AFTER YOU HAVE TAXED THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEM, WE'LL HAVE THEM. You get Alabama YOU GET RHODE ISLAND. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue (BURDEN), you get to make the red states pay their fair share YOU ALSO GET 8/10'S OF THE REDISTRIBUTION BURDEN. RED STATES ARE ALSO WELFARE STATES. WITH OBAMA YOU WILL ALSO LOOSE ALL INCENTIVE TO INVEST WITH CAPITOL GAINS TAXES GOING THROUGH THE ROOF.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower SINCE GAYS CAN'T MARRY IN THE FIRST PLACE than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families (BACHELORS AND WELL...). You get a bunch of single moms COLLECTING ALIMONY FROM ALL YOUR GAY BACHELORS.

Please be aware that Nuevo California LIKE THE SPANISH LINGO. GET USED TO IT will be pro-choice MURDERED YOUR OWN CONSTITUENCY and anti-war FRANCE COULD KICK YOUR BUTTS, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once UM, ABOUT 70% OF THOSE TROOPS WOULD MOVE TO THE RED STATES AND MOST OF THEM ARE FROM THERE TO BEGIN WITH. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals WHO WOULD GLADLY, AND DO. V.S. YOUR CODE PINK WHINERS? THEY COULDN'T DEFEND A STARBUCKS. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home THAT'S JUST PLAIN ASSENINE. REMEMBER WHAT YOU DID IN SOMOLIA. We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up READ THE FULL REPORT, THEY DID, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire OR THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 911, AND INDEED FOILED THOUSANDS. THANKS FOR THE HELP.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water OH, LIKE THE COLORADO RIVER THAT FEEDS CALIPORNIA?, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners), 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry YOU MEAN CALL CENTERS. THE BUBBLE BURST UNDER CLINTON AND MOST TECH WENT OFFSHORE. WHAT YOU HAVE CAN EASILY BE REPLACED, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal SORRY, THAT'S IN UTAH, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT ALL TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT CASH.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans YEAH, CRACK DOES TEND TO MAKE YOU SKINNY.(and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia THIS DISPARAGING THE SOUTH IS ONLY RECENT. BACK WHEN THEY WERE DEMOCRATS YOU GUYS WERE ALL FOR SEGREGATION, TURNED A BLIND EYE TO LYNCHINGS, AND BOB JONES WAS ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST SUPPORTERS (I LIVED IN GREENVILLE FOR A WHILE) THE REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS DAMN SCHOOL. WHY THROW RUSH IN WITH THAT BUNCH? I DO AGREE THAT TELEVANGELISTS ARE COMITTING PRIESTCRAFT, BUT SO IS ALGORE.

We get Hollywood, Broadway, Big Sur SORRY, YOU'LL HAVE TO FIGHT US FOR THAT, AND SINCE WE HAVE ALL THE GUNS..., The Great Lakes and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale IT'S A FISH, MORON, AND THE STORY IS AN ALLEGORY. MANY BIBLE STORIES ARE ALLEGORICAL., 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws HAVE YOU ANY IDEA WHAT SOMEONE HAS TO DO -- COMMIT TO DO -- TO QUALIFY FOR THE DEATH PENALTY? WHAT DID YOU CHILDREN DO? WHO IS TWISTED ON THAT POINT. AND GUN LAWS, WHAT HAS THAT TO DO WITH LIFE BEING SACRED? I'LL TELL YOU: MY LIFE IS SACRED; MY FAMILY DEPENDS ON ME AND I WILL PROTECT THEM. IF SOME SCUMBAG SHOWS IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT HE INTENDS TO TAKE MY LIFE OR HARM MY FAMILY, HIS LIFE HAS JUST BECOME FORFEIT. PERIOD. FURTHER, YOU CALL ME CRAZY FOR BELIEVING IN THE BIBLE AND YOU FALL FOR IDIOTS LIKE MARX, MAO, AND OBAMA? WHO'S THE DUNCE? THE PRINCIPLES TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE WORK. NOT SO MUCH THE SECULARISTS.,
44 percent say that evolution is only a theory UH, YEAH, LIKE DARWIN SAID, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 AND YOU SAY BUSH WAS INVOLVED. WHO WOULD YOU BELIEVE, A MANIAC DICTATOR WHO MURDERS HIS OWN PEOPLE BY THE HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS AND PAID $27,000 TO EVERY FAMILY WHOSE CHILD STRAPPED A BOMB TO THEMSELVES AND MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE? OR THE FACT THAT HE SPENT TEN YEARS FLOUTING UN RESOLUTIONS AND INSPECTORS, WHILE TOSSING DISSIDENTS INTO PLASTIC SHREDDERS OR DRILLING HOLES INTO THEM. HIS INVOLVEMENT WAS TACIT. MOST HISTORIANS WILL AGREE THAT HE NEEDED TO BE TOPPLED. and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties KILLING YOUR OWN OFFSPRING DOES TEND TO FOOL US INTO THINKING SO. VERSES THE LEFT THAT BELIEVES THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS MAN CAUSED EVEN WHEN EVERY PLANET IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM IS WARMING. THEM ARE SOME FEROCIOUS COW FARTS, DUDE.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too NOW YOU'RE GETTING TO YOUR POINT. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico SORRY, WON'T BE NEEDING IT.



Peace out, Blue States OR, AT LEAST ENJOY WHAT PEACE YOU CAN. YOU'D BE SURPRISED WHAT COMES ALONG WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PANTS AROUND YOUR ANKLES. PERHAPS YOU DO KNOW...

Just needs to be colorized and aired in NY

Wow. The writers of Leave it to Beaver would be shot today.
Kind of hard not to laugh...

That's the kind of message we need

What kind of parent would allow their 12 year old daughter out with that?
Then again, have you been to your local Jr. High lately?

Palin Hung in Effigy

Didn't Hitler's Brown Shirts do a lot of that with them pesky Jews?
Why isn't Oberman frothing at the mouth over that one?
Click on photo to read what Michelle Malkin has to say about this.

Office: Japanese Version

The Office - Japanese Version

Vote Values, Vote For What You Believe In.

I suppose that everyone votes for what they believe in. At least here in America. Some people believe in nothing and their vote usually goes for the nihilist. Since the beginning of time, evil has known this also. Evil must lie and deceive; it threatens, coheres, and creates chaos. Same with CNN, some say. The tares grow next to the wheat. Lies stand beside the truth. Lies wear the popular clothing of the day. Truth is plainly dressed. Lies mock. Truth invites.

This video explains that all people must line up what things they consider important and thoughtfully compare all choices. Don't just emotionally exclaim, "I want change!" That means nothing.
Less than nothing. Change is equal to chaos when it has no moral grounding. It is revolution, bloodshed, upheaval.

Good change is a process. It is truthful, considerate, and realizes that everything it chooses necessarily means that another was shunned. A wise man considers the cost and then makes the change. Only a fool will tear his house down for change only to realize that he didn't count the cost.

What is important to YOU? What things do you value? What are you grateful for? Can you count the cost and decide rationally? Visit this site for more info Click Here

Prop.8 exposes anti's lies

This new ad exposes the lies about your children being propaganda pawns and their forced indoctrination.

McCain the Stalwart

by Charles Krauthammer
Friday, October 24, 2008

WASHINGTON -- Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain. I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings.

First, I'll have no truck with the phony case ginned up to rationalize voting for the most liberal and inexperienced presidential nominee in living memory. The "erratic" temperament issue, for example. As if McCain's risky and unsuccessful but in no way irrational attempt to tactically maneuver his way through the economic tsunami that came crashing down a month ago renders unfit for office a man who demonstrated the most admirable equanimity and courage in the face of unimaginable pressures as a prisoner of war, and who later steadily navigated innumerable challenges and setbacks, not the least of which was the collapse of his campaign just a year ago.

McCain the "erratic" is a cheap Obama talking point. The 40-year record testifies to McCain the stalwart.

Nor will I countenance the "dirty campaign" pretense. The double standard here is stunning. Obama ran a scurrilous Spanish-language ad falsely associating McCain with anti-Hispanic slurs. Another ad falsely claimed McCain supports "cutting Social Security benefits in half." And for months Democrats insisted that McCain sought 100 years of war in Iraq.

McCain's critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What's astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama's most egregious association -- with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.

The case for McCain is straightforward. The financial crisis has made us forget, or just blindly deny, how dangerous the world out there is. We have a generations-long struggle with Islamic jihadism. An apocalyptic soon-to-be-nuclear Iran. A nuclear-armed Pakistan in danger of fragmentation. A rising Russia pushing the limits of revanchism. Plus the sure-to-come Falklands-like surprise popping out of nowhere.

Who do you want answering that phone at 3 a.m.? A man who's been cramming on these issues for the last year, who's never had to make an executive decision affecting so much as a city, let alone the world? A foreign policy novice instinctively inclined to the flabbiest, most vaporous multilateralism (e.g., the Berlin Wall came down because of "a world that stands as one"), and who refers to the most deliberate act of war since Pearl Harbor as "the tragedy of 9/11," a term more appropriate for a bus accident?

Or do you want a man who is the most prepared, most knowledgeable, most serious foreign policy thinker in the United States Senate? A man who not only has the best instincts, but has the honor and the courage to, yes, put country first, as when he carried the lonely fight for the surge that turned Iraq from catastrophic defeat into achievable strategic victory?

There's just no comparison. Obama's own running mate warned this week that Obama's youth and inexperience will invite a crisis -- indeed a crisis "generated" precisely to test him. Can you be serious about national security and vote on Nov. 4 to invite that test?

And how will he pass it? Well, how has he fared on the only two significant foreign policy tests he has faced since he's been in the Senate? The first was the surge. Obama failed spectacularly. He not only opposed it. He tried to denigrate it, stop it and, finally, deny its success.

The second test was Georgia, to which Obama responded instinctively with evenhanded moral equivalence, urging restraint on both sides. McCain did not have to consult his advisers to instantly identify the aggressor.

Today's economic crisis, like every other in our history, will in time pass. But the barbarians will still be at the gates. Whom do you want on the parapet? I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb.

Slo' Joe, the gift that keeps giving; and tipping.

Transcript of Joe Biden, or as Ann Coulter says his secret service nick name is, "Assassination Insurance" BTW, isn't assassin and Arabic word?
Anyway, here's what Slo'Joe managed to ramble off:

And here's the point I want to make. Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough - I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you, not financially to help him, we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him.

Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right. Because all these decisions, all these decisions, once they're made if they work, then they weren't viewed as a crisis. If they don't work, it's viewed as you didn't make the right decision, a little bit like how we hesitated so long dealing with Bosnia and dealing with Kosovo, and consequently 200,000 people lost their lives that maybe didn't have to lose lives. It's how we made a mistake in Iraq. We made a mistake in Somalia. So there's gonna be some tough decisions. They may emanate from the Middle East. They may emanate from the sub-continent. They may emanate from Russia's newly-emboldened position because they're floating in a sea of oil.

Here are the highlighted points:

• the world: He means Iran. After working against any real UN action against Iran he will be hoping that someone else will clean up the mess he helped make there. We are on a collision course with Iran. There will be a confrontation with Iran soon. The UN globalists & communists will allow Iran to become a nuclear power because, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Meaning, the US is the avowed enemy of the UN except for places like Australia and Japan. Note how England was excluded? Read Bolton's book. He also has a lot to say about Biden's total incompetence as well.
  
• brilliant: Not true. Average intelligence. Since he's a liberal, THEY think he's brilliant. When it comes to common sense he is a lightweight who is unfamiliar with that term or its practice. Everyone thought Carter was brilliant also. Boy, were they wrong back then too.
  
• a generated crisis: The conservatives and former administration will get the blame for a crisis that the libs allowed to fester.
  
• use your influence: Like when FDR was faced with the moral dilemma of helping England in its hour of need? Not there. It wasn't until Hitler invaded Russia that the anti-war protesters turned to pro-war protesters. Suddenly, everyone is patriotic.
  
• it's not gonna be apparent that we're right: Because it'll take some time to spin the lie. Remember when the FIRST terrorist attack on the twin towers was hushed up, covered up, and swept under the carpet? Who still believes that flight 800's gas tanks just exploded? Only two of many links: 1 and 2. Truth is, Clinton did not want to confront Iran.
  
• we hesitated: You mean liberals. He lists just the top four of dozens of UN failures when a democrat was in office (or a RHINO).
  
• Russia's newly-emboldened position: They're almost bankrupt, again. Putin has turned Russia back into a Socialist state. They need to expand to survive. Natural resources are all a Socialist state has, all their workers have gone home.

Bottom line: Biden's horrible foreign policy record illustrates that he know we will be attacked or be forced into a conflict because of poor foreign policy decisions. What is stunning is that he cannot connect the two that point to him and his buddies.

Obama Race Baiting Socialist

We've been led to believe that Obama has drifted into politics as an outsider. Someone who wants to 'change' the system. The more we discover, the more we are forced to realize that Obama was a radical, was attracted to like minded radicals, and has been leading the charge in one of the most corrupt, radical, areas of Chicago and the United States.

Obama wants change allright. Look at how he wants to take what you have. Look at how he want to confiscate what you have worked hard for, played by the rules for, made good choices for:

Must Read: How Libs use freedom of speech

Smear. Lie. Call Names. Gutter Politics.
Is that all the Dems are good for?

Hatin' Palin

She's not the reason Americans can't stand their politicians.

Click here for the full article

By not bothering to look very deeply at the details beneath either candidate's governing proposals, the media have created a lot of downtime to take free kicks at Gov. Palin. My former colleague, Tunku Varadarajan, has compiled a glossary of Palin invective, and I've added a few: "Republican blow-up doll," "idiot," "Christian Stepford wife," "Jesus freak," "Caribou Barbie," "a dope," "a fatal cancer to the Republican Party," "liar," "a national disgrace" and "her pretense that she is a woman."

This from the people who want 'Change'. Yeah, right...

More on Prop. 8

This is another account from shocked parents who find that their children have been forced by schools to participate. Opting out and parental notification has been made a 'non-issue'. This means that your children will be indoctrinated into the homosexual agenda WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT.

For more information Click Here

Throw the Stinking Bum Out

Murtha Race Tightens After 'Racist,' 'Redneck' Remarks

Rep. John Murtha finds himself in a statistical tie in his re-election bid as Western Pennsylvanians take issue with being called "racist" by their congressman.

FOXNews.com

Thursday, October 23, 2008

FILE: Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa. (AP Photo)

Rep. John Murtha, who recently called constituents in his western Pennsylvania town "racist" because Barack Obama may not win big there, is 4 points ahead of his Republican challenger, retired Army Lt. Col. William Russell, within the Susquehanna Poll's 4.9-point margin of error.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ordered the poll of 400 likely voters on Tuesday as discussion centered on Murtha's comments. The 18-term Democratic congressman apologized for his initial statement by saying he meant only that skin color will be a factor in the race between Obama and John McCain. Murtha later said many Western Pennsylvanians were "rednecks" until recent years.

Russell, who served in Iraq, is the first challenger to give Murtha a run for his money in years. His campaign told the newspaper it was buoyed by another statistic in the poll -- the 54 percent of voters who said it's time someone else represented them in Congress. Thirty-five percent say Murtha, a Vietnam veteran, should be re-elected.

The poll comes as internal polling leaked from the Obama camp showed the Democratic candidate only 2 points ahead of McCain in the Keystone State, suggesting the race is much closer than the Quinnipiac poll out Thursday that shows Obama with a 13-point lead in the state.

Pennsylvania voted for Democrat John Kerry in the 2004 election, but is seen as one of the few blue states that could swing red this year. McCain has spent considerable time in the state.

Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, a McCain supporter, said a lot of eyes are on Pennsylvania because of comments like Murtha's, as well as Obama's remarks about spreading the wealth and redistributing income as a means to prosperity.

"That really riles people up and they are citing that everywhere and they are upset about it," Brownback said of Murtha's remarks. "The politicians say, 'This is what I think about you folks here,' and they don't like it and they are fired up about it, and they're getting involved."

Click here to read the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review article on the Murtha-Russell race.

iKit The Smallest Laptop? Palmtop, what the heck it it?

Well, it's a wireless, bluetooth, Linux based, Personal Information Management (PIM) type device.
Since it'll be marketed to teens, it will play movies, IM chat, email, webcam, and take out the trash.
Forget the take out the trash, no teen or PIM will ever willingly do that.

However, going one smaller than the Asus EeePC and their rivals, this market will see more innovations than we can imagine.
Most of this stuff will be fundamentally changed as soon as a real screen solution, like VR, is made usable.
Until then, more toy than gadget than productivity enhancer, this little pup will find many a home in the sweaty hands of techno-teens.


The iKit

Liberal Trick 'r Treating

The Wave of the Future

Mormons targeted in Proposition 8 coverage

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As usual, lies go unchecked by the liberal press that accuses the LDS Church of financing the effort rather than supporting the effort.
Financing Prop. 8 or any other non-church activity would be a breach of the tax exempt status that church's hold.
Unlike, say, Unions, that routinely use union dues for liberal political agendas. Clearly a violation, but hey, they're liberal. Laws only apply to NeoCons.
Anyway, I've noticed local hit pieces protesting how the LDS is behind the dreaded pro-family religious nuts in California.
Many people donate money to the scouts, and other causes that are directed away from church funds.

For groups to say outrageous things like this, and ignore the California Teachers Union's over 1 million dollars of support, is truly stunning. Let's not forget $500,000 from the Service Employees International Union, another $250,000 from California Teachers Union this Spring. Unions, unions, unions... But one nickel from a church?!?
WSJ link

There's always homeschooling. Provided someone can afford to stay home after Obamunist tax hikes.

Government Is Never The Answer

John Stossel hits it out of the park.

20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics

Great Yard Sign

Robb and Robin's Story

IT CAN HAPPEN IN UTAH

Meet Robb and Robin Wirthlin of Massachusetts.
The Supreme Court refuses to hear appeal, children in Massachusetts are FORCED to read propaganda supporting homosexuality.
This is no fluke, the goal of the homosexual agenda is recruit, recruit, recruit.

From: ProtectMarriage.com

Just as opponents of Proposition 8 are airing television commercials labeling as a lie the claim that gay marriage will be taught in California public schools unless Proposition 8 is passed, a Massachusetts couple is appearing in a powerful new 'Yes on 8' television ad that begins airing today explaining that gay marriage was taught to their seven year old son and his classmates in second grade. Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2003 and their public schools actively instruct young children on gay marriage.

Robb and Robin Wirthlin's seven year old son, Joey, came home from school one day to tell them his teacher had read the class a book about a prince who married another prince and the two men went on to become, "King and King." The book includes a scene of the two male princes kissing each other.

When the Wirthlins contacted school officials to complain about gay marriage being forced on young children in the Massachusetts public schools, they were told they had no right to control the curriculum, no right to be notified when gay marriage might be taught in school, and no right to pull their child from class.

The Wirthlins courageously decided to fight the system, and filed a lawsuit in federal court in Boston. Unfortunately, both the district court and the Court of Appeals ruled against them, stating that parents had no right to be notified of this instruction or to remove their children from class while gay marriage was being taught. Just a few days ago the United States Supreme Court refused to hear their case.

The impact of gay marriage on California public schools has emerged as the top issue in the Proposition 8 campaign. Opponents of 8 claim that "Prop. 8 has nothing to do with schools" but as the Wirthlins' experience in Massachusetts shows, it has everything to do with schools.

Ironically, the frantic efforts by the No on 8 campaign to deny any connection between gay marriage and public schools was totally undercut when a public school in San Francisco escorted a first grade class on a field trip to City Hall in order to witness a lesbian wedding officiated by Mayor Gavin Newsom. School officials defended their decision as providing the young children with a "teachable moment."

One of the top leaders of the No on 8 campaign called the lesbian wedding field trip a "public relations disaster." But that is not stopping them from continuing to deny that gay marriage will be taught in public schools unless Proposition 8 is passed.

Teachers Unions vs Protect Marriage

Let's be clear, Roy Jr. High has one of the highest percentages of union membership in the district.

When, not if, this comes to Utah the unions will be front and center, using those union dues to finance this.

HERE.

CA Teachers Union Ignites 'Class Warfare' over Prop 8

In the weeks leading up to Halloween, the California Teacher's Association (CTA) has no intention of masking its agenda on marriage. The 340,000-member organization -- long considered a powerful branch of the radical Left -- took a risky step yesterday by donating a million dollars to defeat Proposition 8. The gift, which is now the largest contribution by any institutional donor to the ballot issue, raises the stakes in an already tense battle for parents' rights. 

The CTA's own members, whose dues are fueling this opposition, are fuming. Many, like Randy Peart, are questioning what same-sex "marriage" has to do with education. "It bothers me [that they're] spend[ing] my money on something I'm morally opposed to," she said. "Why not put that money into classrooms, into making a better place for these kids?" But according to CTA President David Sanchez, "...[I]t's a civil rights issue." And he's right. This is a civil rights issue -- for children who deserve to be raised by a mother and father. 

The donation, CTA's second, should serve as a wake-up call for anyone who doesn't believe that schools are becoming dangerous incubators for the homosexual cause. If the union will stoop to using its dues to promote the homosexual agenda, then you can bet it will have no reservations about using its classrooms. Just last week, a San Francisco administrator took first graders on a field trip to their teacher's lesbian "wedding." How's that for indoctrination? 

If California schools are promoting "teachable moments" like this for five- and six-year-olds, imagine what the middle and high school curriculums will look like! This is much more than a battle for marriage. It's a last stand for education and parents' rights. The CTA's million dollars will go a long way to undermining the truth. California families need your help! Log on towww.protectmarriage.com and educate yourself about the issues at stake in this fight.

Joe the Plumber on Neil Cavuto

Why don't we have 10,000 guys like that getting the word out? The message they all would have would be the same, "Think!"

Think: If Joe makes $X, and it costs $Y to pay your employees FIRST, then taxes, and finally yourself. Most people I know have to file extensions to keep their employees in hay while they continue to sacrifice.
On the books it looks like you are making bank, but it's all tied up in responsibility.

Obama says "Now government will be First. What's left over can go to your employees, if you can afford them, and finally you."


Think: If your employer isn't making any money, how can you? If you are self employed and your profits are being gobbled up by another Clinton-style government power grab, what can you afford? Will you raise prices? What can the market bear? The Obama tax hikes will be worse than the Clinton tax hikes. With a Democrat majority, and a fascist president, what do you THINK will happen?

Forbes Article from Sep 08: Naked In Wonderland

Naked In Wonderland
Our system is rife with unsettled trades that are deliberate and massive.
By Patrick Byrne

http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/23/naked-shorting-trades-oped-cx_pb_0923byrne.html?partner=email

McCain's Links to Terrorists!

Just kidding.
We are really speaking of Obama. But, wouldn't that be a salacious bit of gossip the MSM would die for?

It seemed that way when reporters, private detectives, computer hackers and dumpster divers, all converged on Alaska looking for the least amount of dirt on Sarah Palin. All they found was that she wanted a trooper fired for driving drunk and tasering his 10 yr. old step-son.

Do you want outrageous stories of vast, economy wrecking proportion? How about terrorists who openly declare that they didn't do enough? (Uh, that's foreign AND domestic) Or filthy land deals and political pay offs done in plain sight. Why not throw in representing an organization that coordinated vast nation wide voter fraud? Let's investigate the most liberal member of the Congress, who is more socialist than the only socialist there, Bernie Saunders! As a matter of fact, that presidential candidate was a member of the Socialist New Party back when Clinton was President.

Nah, we'd rather beat up a plumber and a hockey-mom.

Obama Thugocracy vs Joe the Plumber

Joe the Plumber has become a bit of a folk hero for the right. He wants to buy a plumbing business worth $250k. That's not much. I know people who have businesses worth double, triple, ten times, that amount and after payroll, taxes, more taxes, even more taxes, oh and what's left to plow back into the business, there might be some to take home. I'll never forget Hillary's glib answer to virtually the same question posed to her ten years ago when discussing mandated health premiums: "I can't help it if you're under capitalized". Money does grow on trees for Democrats because all they have to do is demand it from real producers, like Joe. That's why the Obama Thugocracy is such a great term (Michael Barone). It's a shake down of the American WORKER that goes to the American TAKER. They'd rather destroy the credibility of a plumber than fess up to the fact that they only see him as chattel. Lorie Byrd and Michelle Malkin have some interesting things to say as well.

Prop. 8 Opponents Lying On Important Facts

Recently, the VoteNoOn8 people have been trotting out all the usual shills for the homosexual marriage cause. It can be remembered that in Boston the same lies have been told, namely that homosexual marriage will not be taught and propaganda not distributed.
This is, of course, a bald faced lie, they already are doing those very things. The very fact that in SF school children were bussed to city hall to see their lesbian teacher marry her partner is proof that they can't wait to get to your kids. It's all about recruitment.
Do you want your kids to learn the basics (which they are widely not), or sit in a warehouse for eight hours being indoctrinated (which they widely are)?
These are the same people who have tried to destroy religion, with their intolerance, only to replace it with something intolerable. SSM is a bad idea and should be aborted.

Joe the Plumber vs Obama the Socalist

Talk about a fast talking shill. Obama is a socialist, pure and simple, he will destroy small business.

"Nobody like high taxes..."

EXCEPT THE DEMOCRATS

"It's not that I want to punish your success.."

REALLY? WHOSE SUCCESS WILL YOU PUNISH?

"I just want to make sure that everybody behind you has a chance for success"

HOW?
BY RAISING YOUR TAXES BACK AND BEYOND WHAT CLINTON HAD THEM AT.

Hexagonal Cloud Formation Found On Saturn

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034
Cassini Images Bizarre Hexagon on Saturn
March 27, 2007 Pasadena, Calif. -- An odd, six-sided, honeycomb-shaped feature circling the entire north pole of Saturn has captured the interest of scientists with NASA's Cassini mission.

NASA's Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft imaged the feature over two decades ago. The fact that it has appeared in Cassini images indicates that it is a long-lived feature. A second hexagon, significantly darker than the brighter historical feature, is also visible in the Cassini pictures. The spacecraft's visual and infrared mapping spectrometer is the first instrument to capture the entire hexagon feature in one image.

"This is a very strange feature, lying in a precise geometric fashion with six nearly equally straight sides," said Kevin Baines, atmospheric expert and member of Cassini's visual and infrared mapping spectrometer team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "We've never seen anything like this on any other planet. Indeed, Saturn's thick atmosphere where circularly-shaped waves and convective cells dominate is perhaps the last place you'd expect to see such a six-sided geometric figure, yet there it is."

The hexagon is similar to Earth's polar vortex, which has winds blowing in a circular pattern around the polar region. On Saturn, the vortex has a hexagonal rather than circular shape. The hexagon is nearly 25,000 kilometers (15,000 miles) across. Nearly four Earths could fit inside it.

The new images taken in thermal-infrared light show the hexagon extends much deeper down into the atmosphere than previously expected, some 100 kilometers (60 miles) below the cloud tops. A system of clouds lies within the hexagon. The clouds appear to be whipping around the hexagon like cars on a racetrack.

"It's amazing to see such striking differences on opposite ends of Saturn's poles," said Bob Brown, team leader of the Cassini visual and infrared mapping spectrometer, University of Arizona, Tucson. "At the south pole we have what appears to be a hurricane with a giant eye, and at the north pole of Saturn we have this geometric feature, which is completely different."

The Saturn north pole hexagon has not been visible to Cassini's visual cameras, because it's winter in that area, so the hexagon is under the cover of the long polar night, which lasts about 15 years. The infrared mapping spectrometer can image Saturn in both daytime and nighttime conditions and see deep inside. It imaged the feature with thermal wavelengths near 5 microns (seven times the wavelength visible to the human eye) during a 12-day period beginning on Oct. 30, 2006. As winter wanes over the next two years, the feature may become visible to the visual cameras.

Based on the new images and more information on the depth of the feature, scientists think it is not linked to Saturn's radio emissions or to auroral activity, as once contemplated, even though Saturn's northern aurora lies nearly overhead.

The hexagon appears to have remained fixed with Saturn's rotation rate and axis since first glimpsed by Voyager 26 years ago. The actual rotation rate of Saturn is still uncertain.

"Once we understand its dynamical nature, this long-lived, deep-seated polar hexagon may give us a clue to the true rotation rate of the deep atmosphere and perhaps the interior," added Baines.

The hexagon images and movie, including the north polar auroras are available at: http://www.nasa.gov/cassini and http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov and http://wwwvims.lpl.arizona.edu .

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Cassini-Huygens mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The Cassini orbiter was designed, developed and assembled at JPL. The Visual and Infrared Mapping Spectrometer team is based at the University of Arizona.